The Origin of Sin

We are born sinners.  In fact it’s the child’s job to push boundaries and break the rules.  Not everyone is born with a finely tuned moral compass, and so that’s just how we learn.  Of course, it’s the parent’s job to discipline with love.  The right balance is important: if the parent is too strict or cruel then the child learns that the rules are arbitrary and can be broken if no one is looking.  If the parent is too lax, then the child must either learn to police himself (with guilt and shame) or will simply continue to break the rules under the assumption that this is acceptable as long as no one says anything, and unintentionally develops the art of lying, manipulation, and self-deception.

Of course no child is perfect and no parents are perfect and regardless of how children are raised most will turn out fine.  As adults we will experience temptations but remember the lessons of our past and do the right thing.  But we will continue to break the rules and sin, for the rest our lives.  And we will justify to ourselves that this behavior is acceptable, even if we later regret it.  Such is our nature.

Many of us were very fortunate and enjoyed a blissful childhood and believed the promises of happiness and success.  But the world turned out to be more cruel, competitive, and unfair than we expected.  We always tried to do the right thing; attempts at cheating generally proved unsatisfying.  But daily life was struggle and pain, and little seemed to come from it.  We eked out an existence as best we could and tried to appreciate what we had.

This is of course the biblical story of The Fall.  Adam and Eve lived in the Garden of Eden as happily and un-self-consciously as children.  And then they were tempted by Satan’s offer to ‘be like God’.  They ate the apple from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.  When their disobedience was discovered, Adam argued: “The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.”  Eve also passed the blame: “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”  As would any child caught red-handed, they blamed God and the serpent and each other, refusing responsibility for their decision.   Their disobedience, self-deception and audacity enraged God, who banished them from the garden:

“Cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life.  It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field.  By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken.”

They gained knowledge of Good and Evil to be like God, but lost their innocence and blissful ignorance. That is the consequence of our need to know, and that is our nature.

Self-Deception and Sacrifice

If we do wrong, we can either justify it to ourselves (and others), or we can commit the sin in secrecy with the understanding that we will have to pay for it.  But we have knowledge of right and wrong, and sin is never committed freely.  The ancient pagans sacrificed their own children to expiate their sins and appease their gods.  This practice was banned by the Hebrew God, and replaced with animal sacrifice.  By Jesus’ time, the blood flowed from the Temple’s altars in thick rivers.  Then the blood of the Son of God was shed for the sins all mankind.  In modern times those who reject such religious notions expiate their sins by arguing for higher taxes.

A man will rationalize his sins to avoid paying the price, and his capacity to deceive and manipulate himself and others knows no bounds.  Great evil has been committed by good people who justified their sins by ignoring the truth.  Only in retrospect does the crime seem obvious, even if we still struggle to understand how it happened.  The work of Satan, what they used to call ‘demon possession,’ is simply our capacity for rationalization and self-deception, even if such language offends our modern sensibilities.

Never does a man commit sin freely.  His only choice is to deceive himself and others (that there was no sin), or to pay.  Or of course not to commit the sin in the first place, and suffer the resentments of unfulfilled desires.  Ultimately everyone will face this and there is no escape.  In The Catcher in the Rye, Holden Caulfield wanted to catch the children who were not watching where they were going and started to fall ‘over the cliff’.  And then presumably gently place them back on the field.  But such a strategy is doomed, as Holden Caulfield and his followers amply demonstrated.  We will all become ‘phonies’ sooner or later.

Like the Bible, the Koran begins with the the story of The Fall.  Although in that version, Adam and Eve are quite conscious of their sin and immediately beg for forgiveness and mercy when questioned by God.  This sheds light on a significant cultural difference.

Man knows right and wrong and does not commit sin freely.  The exception to this rule is of course the psychopath.  They have knowledge of Good and Evil, but the rules don’t apply to them: they believe they are god.  (In fact they suffer from deep inferiority, which they conceal with the god fantasy, and as such really are no exception.)

Many people today interpret the story of The Fall as either a sanctimonious indictment of man’s evil nature or as proof of God’s injustice.  In fact, it is simply an explanation of our ability and tendency to deceive ourselves as we struggle between abnegation and indulgence.  We must be constantly on guard, or we may become ensnared by the tricks of our own mind.

In Requiem for a Dream, Darren Aronofsky’s parody of the The Fall, a drug addict unplugs the family TV as his mother is watching, while apologizing tearfully and regretfully.  He is unable to resist the overpowering temptation for drugs, while offering no justification or excuse.  This is of course a complete lie and never actually happened.  Until now: today the scene is acted out in families around the world.  The absurdity and stupidity of such a scene is obvious to anyone who has attended an NA meeting, in which members typically share a desire to pick a fight with someone on the bus.  Ironically the general public is quicker to justify their mischief as ‘drug addiction’ than they are, though they will gladly play the ‘get out of jail free’ card as necessary.  Addicts lie freely about the extent of their drug use, and drug ‘cravings’, in both directions, to manipulate the system.

Eastern religions resolve the problem of suffering with a strategy to reduce ‘cravings’ typically through meditation.  If we can break out of this cycle of suffering caused by craving, we ultimately will achieve enlightenment, happiness, and freedom from sin.  Of course, such beliefs have little appeal to young people who are more interested in indulging their desires than denying them.

The Return of Human Sacrifice

Addiction is a new religion only 80 years old.  Alcoholics Anonymous is based on Alastair Crowley’s Thelema: “Do as thou wilt,” which is religious alchemy that washes punishment from sin.  It is based on science, magic, the occult, and drug use and has strong prepubescent appeal.  AA modified the teaching for grown men: you can sin freely while under the influence of drugs or alcohol (or the cravings for them), and then pay for it later, typically in your 40’s or 50’s by ‘making amends’.  Typically the mischief is some combination of abuse, neglect, and sexual promiscuity, though it could be anything.  Soon after it began, women also started to participate, if only for the chemical alleviation of sexual abuse, often at the hands of men in the religion.  (Of course, the religion is appealing to many groups for many reasons.  For example, young women often join as revenge against parents for perceived neglect and hold them hostage to the threat of ‘relapse’ – a strategy commonly known as ‘maintaining my sobriety’.)

Normally when a man recognizes his sin, he regrets it and makes a plan to not repeat it.  Addiction is a mortgage plan for sin.   To participate, all you have to do is attend a few meetings during your youth and claim that you tried it but it didn’t work for you.  For example, you can claim that it is too Christian and moralistic and provokes the same feelings that made you want to drink in the first place. And then repeat a cycle of bingeing and abstinence for decades.  Then return in middle age and suddenly ‘get it’.  This is easy: choose an Eastern deity that you feel represents ‘serenity’, apologize to the people you hurt, and then recite the Craving Lie: “I couldn’t stop drinking/using no matter how hard I tried.  I nearly died from my addiction.  AA has saved my life and millions of others.  Now I am happy, joyous and free.”  Don’t worry, you can still drink.  If someone sees you, just call it a ‘relapse’ and return to AA, and remind the newcomers that they must be constantly on guard against this ‘cunning and baffling’ and deadly affliction that nearly killed you.

Despite the lie, ‘craving’ is rarely mentioned at meetings.  It is offered only for public consumption.  Typically people say they drink because they are lonely or because their friends were drinking or for another simple reason, and rarely do you hear “I drank because of intense cravings”.  They claim not to have realized that their lives were ‘out of control’ typically until middle age when they look back.  They then claim they were actually in denial of their own cravings all along, and never really tried to stop, and so their claim that they ‘tried to stop’ is simply a lie, as is their claim that ‘willpower is useless’ and that they were ‘powerless to alcohol’.  So they freely admit to lying to themselves about the extent of their drinking but expect us to believe that they really had irresistible cravings.  A little skepticism is justified, especially considering that to them, powerlessness to alcohol is often just a good excuse to express their frustrations by getting drunk and partying or picking a fight with some guy outside the bar who they don’t like the looks of.

However, there are some people who really are victims of their own cravings.  They were sent to AA at a young age by the courts or a concerned friend or family member, or have a family history of AA participation.  They were impressionable and vulnerable, and they were forced by the cult to confess powerlessness to alcohol.  They may have been told by a sponsor: “I am scared for you.  You don’t know what you are capable of.  You are danger to yourself.”  Months or years later, in a moment of despair they believed it.  Robin Williams, Philip Seymour Hoffman, and many other actors (who once attended AA and played the part of a drug addict) are examples.  Their sacrifice pays the interest on the mortgaged sins of the other cult members, who always seem to survive their close brush with death, recounting the highlights of their drinking career in merry drunkalogs.  They deny their sins publicly, even as they refuse to post their drunkalogs which would demonstrate them.  And ironically the depressive admires the mischief, unaware that his or her own blood may be offered in payment.  This may seem hard to believe, but just go to your local AA meeting and see this dynamic for yourself.  However, most members of AA are unaware that many innocent people died for their sins, and express shock, outrage, and indignation at the allegation (as shown by the comments below).  Of course, some are perfectly well aware.  They are easy to identify because they just soiled themselves.

Meetings are often little more than a competition to boast about mischievous debauchery or who has the youngest girlfriend.  While in public they promote their club with pious reverence.  But if they did not sin then what do they have to make amends for?  Or if their sins were caused by a disease, then why dredge up the past?  The reason of course is that they amend because they did wrong, and did so by their own standards.  They are blatant hypocrites, which they explain away with the claim to have been in denial of the damage their drinking was causing for years if not decades despite long interludes of sobriety. And then they repeat the Craving Lie.  And we fall for it ourselves, thinking “Of course alcohol causes sins for some people and so what if AA is religious as long as it stops them from drinking?”

The newly self-diagnosed alcoholic must remain vigilant against the temptation of alcohol, which after one sip will take possession of his soul like a demon and force him to drink until blackout (a convenient excuse for not remembering their behavior).  Whereas the Christian must remain vigilant against self deception.  Bill Wilson claimed: “There had been no real infidelity, for loyalty to my wife, helped at times by extreme drunkenness, kept me out of those scrapes.”  (Big Book p. 3)  This of course is a well known lie — Bill’s infidelity is legendary.  It’s not surprising that alcoholics openly despise Christianity.

Ultimately the cult will be betrayed by its own need to recount its mischief, and this will break the back of the organization.

The Unlearnable Lesson

Many parents today believe that a happy childhood makes for a happy adult (or at least lowers the risk of being blamed for unhappiness).  So the parent indulges the child’s every wish and withholds criticism and discipline at all costs.  Ultimately they become locked in a battle of repressed resentment and anger, and the child must figure out the rules on his own.  The parent believes that boosting the child’s confidence and self-esteem will protect him from the fall, but of course this only heightens the trauma of it.  It’s no wonder that such children grow up to despise God’s Law, thinking: “I had to figure out the rules on my own, and now you want me to submit to this archaic crap?”  And no wonder they turn to the religion of addiction to mock the parent’s failure to play a god whose own self-deception blocks recognition of the original warning.  The biblical truth is actually validated by its denial, even as the victim’s mother now travels the country preaching to young people about the threat of an insidious and deadly medical disease that bears a striking resemblance to demon possession.

The punch line of every addiction memoir is: “I didn’t get better until they stopped trying to help me.”  The Fall is inevitable and its avoidance will end badly.

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56 thoughts on “The Origin of Sin”

  1. I have met some satanists, atheists, Chrisnudists, budists within those rooms, A.A. as a whole wants you to find a “God of your understanding”.

    A.a. started when an alcoholic spoke to another alcoholic about his experience trying to quit over and over and couldn’t do it until he was able to find God “of his understanding”. You can label a.a. as whatever you want, a.a. is spiritual program based on progress over perfection. Just because you and others like you are not able to grasp the true nature of the program known as A.a./ n.a./c.o.d.a/s.a.a./n.a., ect. The point in going to the tables is to talk to others “like yourself” about your issues that have come along with drinking, and not have a judgmental person like you to bring down whatever hope one may ever have at staying alive.

    Thank you…now go jump off a bridge you pathetic waste of existence.

    1. Floyd, I am Marvin and I stand behind every word you wrote. I recovered through AA, and I have been clean for 8 years. I would love to chat more, My cell is. 208-xxx, and email is, wmarvin393@gmail.com. please text, call or email soon, Marvin W.

  2. PLEASE TELL ME WHY THERE IS CRITISISM OF ANYONE TRYING TO HELP THEMSELVES OUT OF A MISERABLE EXISTANCE TO A BETTER WAY OF LIFE THAT WORKS FOR THEM. I WAS A JEKELL HYDE DRINKER . NICEST GUY IN THE WORLD EXCEPT WHEN I DRANK I BECAME A BLACKOUT MONSTER TO STRANGERS FAMILY AND FRIENDS. IT TOOK ME 40 YEARS TO GET MY FOOT BACK IN THE DOOR OF REALITY. AA ENDORSES PROGRESS NOT PERFECTION AS LONG AS YOU REMEMBER THAT EVERY DAY YOU DON’T GET DISCOURAGED. FOR SOME OF US IT IS THE ONLY THING THAT WORKS AND FOR THAT I THANK GOD EVERY DAY .
    THE ONE THING THAT WE WORK ON IS RESENTMENT WHICH IN ANY WORLD SOBER OR NOT IS POISON TO ANYONES LIFE.
    MAYBE YOU NEED TO LOOK AT WHY YOU HAVE SO MUCH RESENTMENT FOR AA

      1. ARE YOU TRULY WITHOUT SIN? MORTGAGED OR NOT. I NEVER BRAINWASHED ANYONE IF ANY THING I BRAINWASHED MYSELF INTO BELIEVING THAT I WAS CAPABLE OF DRINKING ALCOHOL LIKE NORMAL PEOPLE AND I WASN’T. LUCKY FOR ME THOUGH MY MORTGAGE BALOON PAYMENT FINALLY BECAME DUE!

      2. I am full of sin! But I don’t blame it on alcohol! I don’t say I lied to myself for 20 years!

        Do you get it??

        You are still lying to yourself and your weekly drunkalog proves that you used alcohol to escape your family (as you now admit) and that you are brainwashing your sponsees into powerlessness (which you still deny).

        Alcoholism is demon possession, as confirmed by your Jekyll and Hyde comparison. It’s just a satanic religion. Which you continue to practice at your meetings by abusing and exploiting vulnerable people. I resent AA because it is full of people like you.

      3. First of all I don’t have any sponsees as I am only sober for five months and have not completed 12 steps. But I am very curious as to what you think people such as myself should turn to for genuine help and not a quick guru type fix. Back when I was 15 and using drugs before alcohol my father put me in a theraputic community in New york called Phoenix House I started out as a outpatient and wound up as a resident for 3 years till I was 18. After primal scream therapy and having my head shaved twice and signs hung around my neck while I was scrubbing a five story building with a tooth brush they told me I was cured and that I “Graduated”, then they took me out to bars to teach me to drink. What type of seed do you think that planted. At that same time they found out that the director was a sexual preditor. Between both of those incidents I lost all the faith I had gained in this journey. It took as I said fourty years of misery for me to get wrapped around some form of recovery. If I didn’t make that move I would be writing this from the grave right now. I have examined other programs that declare that they can teach you to drink socially but I don’t think the risk is worth the supposed reward. I don’t think I will ever be a Big Book thumper or a sponsor for someone else . However I am at peace with myself now and if that’s what I can get out of this I’m fine with that.

      4. First of all thank you for turning off the caps lock and secondly, sorry for that experience when you were a child. But again, proves my point. Your drinking was your way of dealing with a traumatic past (and sounds like they brainwashed you too), and I’m sure that wasn’t the half of it. Your drinking was NOT a disease.

        What should you do? Find the guy who did that to you and kick his ass! That’s what I’d do! Then you’ll find your cravings completely disappear.

        You’re at least 60 years old now. What do you have to lose? No one would blame you for it.

        You say that you couldn’t stop drinking no matter how hard you tried. And then you said you were lying to yourself the whole time that you thought you could drink like a normal man. Please decide whether you really tried to stop. Then you will begin to see the truth.

    1. I did look him up indeed and he passed away three years ago. Some people forgive murderers for killing their loved ones,I however am not of that ilk but being in the last trimester of my life I don’t let negative energy and I have had plenty of it,enter my life anymore. I had made the decisicion to stop drinking on my own before I entered Rehab and then came to AA for support. I have found many people who are just ok with using AA as a means of support and not embracing the culture completely. Although this is frowned upon by hard liners there is definitely a subculture within that seems to do just fine and yes there are some relapses with these people but most of them seem to find themselves again. My point here being that you need to do something that works for you as an individual . I have re-embraced god in my life but I am not a bible thumper either.
      I wake up happy each day with a sense of purpose regardless of how many obstacles are presented to me. I smile in the face of adversity all the time because I now know if I remain sober with a little support from others there is no hill I cannot climb. My faith in myself has been restored because the choice I made was mine and not AA’s.
      Thanks for letting me share. LOL

      1. And your own father. Of course you can make amends but my point is that you did a lot of damage for 40 years because of your ‘Jekyll and Hyde’ drinking. You keep saying that AA has helped you. But you don’t see that you were indoctrinated into it at Phoenix House and it ‘made’ you drink for 40 years!

        Back to the simple truth. Yes you were abused and brainwashed as a child. But the fact is, you idolized alcohol for 40 years (and attended AA on and off to mortgage your sins), and then finally got the AA exorcism (“I was going to die from my drinking. I tried to stop and I tried everything. AA worked for me and it’s the only thing that ever worked. I don’t see why you have such resentments.”)

        I don’t see why that should be so hard to admit. Just post your drunkalog and read it. You’ll see for yourself!

      1. “Hi my name is Floyd and I’m an alcoholic.” (Hi Floyd!) “I’ve been drinking since I was a kid. I was out of control and my parents refused to discipline me so they sent me to Phoenix house where they abused me and taught me about alcoholism and addiction. I got married but couldn’t stand my wife and kids so I had a drink when I got home and picked a fight with the old lady so she kicked me out so I went downtown with my buddies and hooked up with randos. I did that for 20 years. Then for 20 years I just drank because I couldn’t believe I wasted my life and because my family couldn’t stand me and because each time I went to AA they told me to ‘go out and keep drinking’ so that’s exactly what I did. Now I’m finally back in AA and I get it: I chose an Eastern deity representing ‘serenity’ and I’ve apologized to my family (who don’t get it but hey ‘enjoy your gloom’) and now I say, “AA worked for me and it’s the only thing that ever worked in my 40 year drinking career!” Now I have meaning in my life, even it’s just hoping that some young girl will walk in and admit to me that she’s powerless to alcohol and going to die, just like I almost did. And then I can give her some of my ‘special therapy’ and teach her that if anything bad happens she has to accept her role in it!

        That’s why I love AA and will defend it to the death against all non-believers!

      2. No friends for the last 23 years except my spouse , I drank alone since 1992. That was the last time I entered a bar room. The day of hurricane Andrew hit South Florida my best friend for life died from agent orange poisoning from his service to this country. My only friend left hung himself after his wife deserted him while he was in rehab. What do you have against people who drank because the pain was too much to bare sober and then realized that the drink was not helping but hurting. Is there some sort of switch that is supposed to be switched on when you need help. Just man up and stay sober. It took fourty years of damage to launch the damage control. Sadly some never get to the damage control part because they are dead as a result of their actions. As far as the 13 stepper stuff it has been perpetrated on me by people, unsucsessfully and I don’t attend meetings to pick up young powerless girls I go to get support and listen to what other people say about what keeps them sober, take what I can away from it and live my life on mine and God’s terms, but mine come first with God’s approval. I will admit that my vocabulary does not encompass too much slang therefore please indulge me WHAT IS A RANDO? I can probaly imagine but i would enjoy to hear it from your razor sharp wit.

      3. Oh by the way I don’t have to defend AA they stand tall all by themselves. I do defend any means to an end to abusing alcohol and a miserable exsistance if that takes AA for some then so be it.

      4. Wow you are such a liar. Now you are saying you stayed home and drank because you were depressed and before you said you were a ‘blackout monster’. Obviously you were up to no good while drunk though you conveniently claim to not remember. You want us to believe you went home and drank and played solitaire through your tears. Well that is just another lie from the Big Book of Lies. And you say you were in AA for only 5 months but actually you went there for 40 years. You love it and defend it because it provided cover for your drinking the whole time!

        Plus you say that you tried everything to stop drinking and then that you never tried to stop because you were just trying to drink like a normal man. Well which is it? Of course the answer depends on who you’re trying to impress. Save it for the meetings. I see right through it.

        Thanks for another vivid display of AA propaganda, brainwashing, and the Craving Lie. By helping to expose AA you are ensuring the destruction of your cult. Enjoy your meetings while you still can.

      5. You Sir need to re read what I wrote I said I drank for forty years but had not been in a bar room since 1992 do the math. I despise solitaire. You seem to be bitter at anyone making an attempt to get sober no matter what they do. I wish you peace you seem to need it.
        Ve’ con dios

    2. Whether or not someone is “without sin” is irrelevant to the question of whether “addiction” is a disease, and whether a combination of believing the claims that AA/NA makes about the nature of alcohol, drugs and people who use alcohol &/or drugs, and groupthink/pressure in meetings and “sponsor” relationships is an effective treatment for such a disease.

      Nobody who disagrees with this website seems to do anything but make claims that the author is somehow a bad person. Nobody who disagrees with this website has made a coherent argument about how or why the addiction/rehab model is accurate or helpful – except for testimonials that it worked for the person with the caps lock button stuck in the on position.

      Here’s a link to why testimonials are not good evidence for why a treatment is effective:
      http://skepdic.com/testimon.html

  3. Your on to somthing dude I suspected this for a long time. AA is satanic but so is almost all of the world. It says in the bible that the world is controlled by Satan until Jesus returns. So it is impossible to escape anywhere you go.

    1. Young man….

      We are a cult? Then why are most of our meetings are in church basements and community centers?

      If you have any questions, check out your local district/city for AA meetings. Don’t be in denial.

    1. Just because someone disagrees with your opinion doesn’t make that person a troll.

      When facts and science are on the side of the person who disagrees with you, it makes what that person is doing a service to humanity.

  4. This has GOT to be one of the most idiotic, pathetic, closed-minded pieces of writing I’ve ever read. To think I just wasted 5 whole minutes of my SOBER AA life that I will never get back… DAYUM!

    1. I agree!! Have 28 years of sobriety and it still amazes me what ideas people come up with to criticize AA. To each his own. I am out of here. ☺

  5. AA does not deny free will. It just makes us aware that our will is not Gods will. It is only by following Gods will that we can live a spiritual life. Christianity can capitalize on that but it does not own that truth. You have to be Honest Open minded and Willing. You seem so angry. AA is not a religion. Religions are organized ways that it’s followers believe will keep them from hell. Lots of rules… AA is a spiritual journey.

    1. AA is not a religion? But you just said it was. You AA’ers are so confused!

      From the BB:
      “The alcoholic is free will run riot.” The alcoholic is idolater of “King Alcohol”.

      Sounds like a religion to me. (Not to mention satanic.)

      1. Tat’s “self will run riot.” Pity, I found this by accident. We are entitled to our opinion, but we are responsible to be correct in our facts. Addiction Myth has a lot of the facts wrong, obviously, and should seek counseling for that simmering resentment that has caused him/her to spend so much time in health destroying anger. After all, Jesus said “judg not” and “see the Lillies of the field, they toil not, nor do they spin…” and they certainly don’t worry. Nursing a resentment is like taking poison and hoping the other person will die. I hope, Addiction Myth, that you get the help you need and the life you want. I only with God’s love on all people.
        BTW, I’m sober 23 years and credit AA and NA with a huge part in my sobriety.

      2. What a hypocrite. You judge me then say “judge not.” You can play fast and loose with facts but your hypocrisy will take you to the 7th circle of hell. Well enjoy your mischief & drinking club now while you can because it won’t be around much longer.

      3. I’ve been sober for 4 and 1/2 years because of AA. But you can’t convince someone who has not been there. AA has been around since 1935 and will be around for a long time to come!

  6. With all the technology we have, why can’t we solve the cancer, AIDs, or HIV issue(s)? Not even diabetes can we cure. Unfortunately, the only solution we can ever offer for the bloody patrons who have these life-long ailments are remedies as they continue to live. The medications don’t even cure, only treat the life threatening health issues and does nothing for symptoms/side effects that come with the ailments themselves, I. E. emotional turmoil, family (or lack of) support, hopelessness, body/mental fatigue, denial, we can increase the last ad infinitum.

    If only the bible could solve worldly/social /monetary issues without man, we’d be able to live peacefully as God intended because, don’t you know, God only creates perfection. So if God created perfection, He has created no mistakes. My will power is no mistake… My mistakes are not mistakes. My mistakes are perfect.

    Jokes aside, let’s remind ourselves, in Jesus’ famous words, “If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her” is found in John 8:1-11. Last time I checked, as humans, we make mistakes, we judge others, we get impatient at other’s shortcomings/mistakes, we get angry, we are quick to bash against other’s viewpoints because their opinions don’t match up with our own (and again), we can increase the list ad infinitum. What I’m really saying is that you are entitled to your own opinions as others are theirs. Opinions without actual experience is really just an angry, hateful, judgemental, fearful observation of something you can’t /don’t want to comprehend but, like every other human being, you have the right to express your narrow-minded opinion.

    Yes, I believe in God. My God is a loving, kind, tolerant, open, welcoming, HUMOROUS, powerful, hilarious, playful entity that is all good, all knowing, and all powerful deity. I can only try in my human heart of hearts to walk a spiritual life geared towards His will and His path. It is when I walk each step along spiritual lines that I am hand in hand with God. I am only human so mistakes are part of my journey.

    You are entitled to have your own opinions. At least you’re exercising your God-given right to do so. Bravo.

    1. Thank you for acknowledging my right to express my narrow minded opinion! That is refreshing. There is an even more fundamental right: the right to free will. When you stop demanding that others forfeit that right then I will shut up. (Ah, you will now deny being a member of AA and run away. Run pagan, run.)

    2. These topics and discussions are reality shaking. The very unfortunate fact of the matter is that we will never know any certain truth of any afterlife of punishment or glory for our wrong doings or sins in this life, and that is not a perfect world or design I enjoy waking up to. In my case, I would prefer that my mom have had me aborted, so that I may never partake or be tempted to any forbidden pleasures of this world, rather than have to suffer any form of torture for mistakes I’ve happen to make in the human life!

      All I know is that Max, If there is a GOD I want to believe in, It’s a HUMOROUS one, because truly nothing is more joyous in this life than pure laughter, and nothing more evil than the negative, hopeless, mad, and loathing condition that we, (the majority of this doomed and twisted individuals on this planet live on. I sometimes think that if GOD is perfect and all knowing, why did he create the pain and cruelty in the package of life handed to us on Earth? It makes me want to take an eternal nap, but that may just be the demon possession taking hold of me and satan luring me to his torture pit, I honestly have no idea. I am a rambling, drinking idiot, please end my miserable existence so that I may hopefully rest with no eternal consciousness.

      1. Thank you for the comment! It’s wonderful to see that there are thoughtful, open minded people out there. There are many things I could say about your comment, but for now I would just bring it back to the original point: I believe you are describing the “The Fall,” which is really just an explanation for an age old problem. Beyond that I think that people make unfortunate decisions while under the influence of drugs. Drugs are fine and can be fun, but they are also dangerous. That is my belief. But they are NOT addictive! And I agree that some people have lost touch with the truth. But I think we will return to it! (And the rare honesty in your comment is comforting to me, and illuminating.)

  7. I believe if u really want to stop using u can without mans help (Matthew 19:21-27!!! With all the technology we have why can’t the medical field (neurologists) come up with a substance non addicting to help curb cravings?! Something doesn’t jive! Furthermore AA expects u to put it first over your whole life and that’s omitting a higher power saying only AA can cure!! What happened to the bible?!

    1. Really? When I screamed out to God from the streets and a dumpster, he dropped me back in AA not my Catholic church! Oh and I’ve been sober for over a year now!!!

    2. I don’t have any fisical and mental cravings anymore. And life is hard right now-my 17 years daughter went to jail for using drugs. This is THE the hardest time in my life and even thoght I am sober. It wouldn’t happen if I wouldn’t try to live spiritual life and stay in a constant contact with God. I really think AA program works,but,of course,it work best,when you have so called “gift of desparation”,when you cannt live anymore suffering and desperate enogh to ask God for help. Of course,you don’t have to be an alcogolic to get really desperate-any desperation can bring you on your knees. you can come to Him without suffering,but it sure helps

      1. And then you taught your daughter that she also must receive the gift of desperation. How sad.

        You don’t have to live a spiritual life and you don’t have to be in constant contact with God. But you don’t have to admit powerlessness to drugs and alcohol! That’s the problem!

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